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Old 04-08-2007, 09:36 AM   #11
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I just listened to the 1up Yours Podcast for Friday 04.06.07 and I got pretty upset when Mark Rein and Tim Sweeney said that FOUR Gears of War maps have been ready for MONTHS, but Epic won't let the maps release because Microsoft wants them to be released at a premium fee.

Okay, so Mark, I want a clarification...a more "full" story to this.

1. Will you allow the maps to be released at a premium fee?
2. What are the chances that we'll see these for free, if at all?
3. If PR wasn't involved in the interview, how can you and Tim attempt to justify this big F-U finger to the community that made your game a success?
4. Is it possible that we can see these maps in a vidoc titled "The maps you won't see because Microsoft won't let you have them?" or something affective in that manner?

I am a supporter of free content. I believe that all content should be free, even if it's just for a short period of time.

Also, Microsoft said that developers are to release content on their own stipulations. How could you seem so calm and unaffected by that blatant lie?

It was a great interview, and I'm very proud of Epic for standing their ground and not releasing the content for a fee, even if it's making the community wait. I would rather wait and see free content than paying.

Also, knowing this, it shouldn't be a surprise knowing that Halo 2's new maps (to quote Bungie, "the gift to the community") are a fee.....and it's 100% Microsoft's fault. Yeah, a premium gift....it's funny.


You want what? who are you? Oh yeah some whiney tool on a forum. You will get content when THEY release it. Whoever THEY are, you know with the huge market of video game mass conspiracy.


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Old 04-08-2007, 10:51 AM   #12
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Here is a response to a thread over at EvilAvatar that I posted this morning. You can download the podcast at 1UPYours.com - this is the April 6th edition. The interview with Epic CEO and founder, Tim Sweeney, and myself starts a little bit after 38 minutes into the podcast.

Folks,

I think you guys are blowing this up into something bigger than it is. Please listen to the entire podcast before jumping to conclusions.

What we have here is simply a difference of opinion on how to maximize the return on Gears of War - something both Epic and Microsoft want to do. While we create products like Gears because we love games, and we have a passion for making them, at the end of the day this is a business for both companies and how we earn our living.

Epic thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to give the maps away for free and Microsoft thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to sell the maps. So what we’ve agreed to do is to put these maps on sale at a reasonable price then make them free a few months later. They did this with the original Halo2 map pack and it was a huge success. Lots of people bought the maps and lots of people downloaded them when they became free. That’s what is going to happen and it seems like a fair compromise for both companies and a win-win for Gears players.

Why does Epic not have control over this even though we created this content on our own time and our own dime? Quite frankly Xbox Live Marketplace isn’t our store. It’s Microsoft’s store. Like any retailer they have the right to figure out what goes on the shelves of their store and what price they sell it at. They spend the money to operate the store and deliver the content. They’ve also spent billions of dollars to create and build Xbox and subsidize it’s the price so you can afford it and we can make games for it. As our publisher, they also invested tens of millions of dollars marketing Gears of War, and have done an awesome job for us, so they have a right to a good return on that investment.

As Tim Sweeney and I said in the podcast, we want the download economy to work – it is something the industry needs, something we hope to use in the future, something that will help bring more variety to end-users and ultimately could help bring prices down for end-users. If we had to put this map pack on a disc and sell it in retail it would be more expensive to end-users and maybe we wouldn't have done it because of all the extra work and cost involved.

In the mean time we are planning to bring out an awesome new Gears of War multi-player gametype called Annex that works will all of the existing multi-player maps and the new pack we're talking about here. The 1UP guys who got to play it a few weeks ago left the office raving about how it could be our best Gears gametype yet and I think a lot of people will enjoy it. Best of all, it is totally FREE and will come in the new Gears update that we expect to see released this week.
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:19 AM   #13
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thanks for the thorough response Mark, I for one am very impressed that people at Epic take the time to even visit this forum, nevermind reply to our concerns.

i think that it is more than fair to pay for map packs if you want them immediately and then offer them for free several months later. that should be a good comprimise that everyone can live with. keep up the good work with continuing to take this game to the next level!
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Here is a response to a thread over at EvilAvatar that I posted this morning. You can download the podcast at 1UPYours.com - this is the April 6th edition. The interview with Epic CEO and founder, Tim Sweeney, and myself starts a little bit after 38 minutes into the podcast.

Folks,

I think you guys are blowing this up into something bigger than it is. Please listen to the entire podcast before jumping to conclusions.

What we have here is simply a difference of opinion on how to maximize the return on Gears of War - something both Epic and Microsoft want to do. While we create products like Gears because we love games, and we have a passion for making them, at the end of the day this is a business for both companies and how we earn our living.

Epic thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to give the maps away for free and Microsoft thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to sell the maps. So what we’ve agreed to do is to put these maps on sale at a reasonable price then make them free a few months later. They did this with the original Halo2 map pack and it was a huge success. Lots of people bought the maps and lots of people downloaded them when they became free. That’s what is going to happen and it seems like a fair compromise for both companies and a win-win for Gears players.

Why does Epic not have control over this even though we created this content on our own time and our own dime? Quite frankly Xbox Live Marketplace isn’t our store. It’s Microsoft’s store. Like any retailer they have the right to figure out what goes on the shelves of their store and what price they sell it at. They spend the money to operate the store and deliver the content. They’ve also spent billions of dollars to create and build Xbox and subsidize it’s the price so you can afford it and we can make games for it. As our publisher, they also invested tens of millions of dollars marketing Gears of War, and have done an awesome job for us, so they have a right to a good return on that investment.

As Tim Sweeney and I said in the podcast, we want the download economy to work – it is something the industry needs, something we hope to use in the future, something that will help bring more variety to end-users and ultimately could help bring prices down for end-users. If we had to put this map pack on a disc and sell it in retail it would be more expensive to end-users and maybe we wouldn't have done it because of all the extra work and cost involved.

In the mean time we are planning to bring out an awesome new Gears of War multi-player gametype called Annex that works will all of the existing multi-player maps and the new pack we're talking about here. The 1UP guys who got to play it a few weeks ago left the office raving about how it could be our best Gears gametype yet and I think a lot of people will enjoy it. Best of all, it is totally FREE and will come in the new Gears update that we expect to see released this week.
I hate how it seems like everyone think MS is just doing the **** the do just to do it.
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:25 AM   #15
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i think that it is more than fair to pay for map packs if you want them immediately and then offer them for free several months later. that should be a good comprimise that everyone can live with. keep up the good work with continuing to take this game to the next level!
I think so too and these maps are definitely worth the money - they're great maps! We just wanted to ensure that largest number of Gears players possible are able to enjoy them so they'll keep playing and enjoying the game.
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I hate how it seems like everyone think MS is just doing the **** the do just to do it.
aren't you the same person that just called them microdick?
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:29 AM   #17
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I think so too and these maps are definitely worth the money - they're great maps! We just wanted to ensure that largest number of Gears players possible are able to enjoy them so they'll keep playing and enjoying the game.
i have no doubt the new maps will be sick, gears of war is the only game i have played since getting it months ago. i am hooked!!!
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@ Mark - Even though it is good to compromise with MS and release the maps at a good price, do you not think that this is unfair to the 1000's of people who will buy them (as I will undoubtedly) only to have them for free a few months later? I know its business and that what happens in order to keep the product going but now that you have mentioned the fact that they will be free at some point is going to cause even more kick offs about the game particularly here!!!
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@ Mark - Even though it is good to compromise with MS and release the maps at a good price, do you not think that this is unfair to the 1000's of people who will buy them (as I will undoubtedly) only to have them for free a few months later? I know its business and that what happens in order to keep the product going but now that you have mentioned the fact that they will be free at some point is going to cause even more kick offs about the game particularly here!!!
no one will force you to buy them when they first come out so how is that unfair?
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Thanks Mark, It seems like a very reasonable compromise that Epic made with Microsoft.
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